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I am a relatively quite guy here, but I would like to speak my mind at this point.

First of all, let it be known, that I do agree, that the Maui devs has done an wonderful job, Maui is one of the most stable distros on KDE Plasma. By know way should my post come across that I am belittling or dethroning the orginal devs. Should it even remotely sound like disrespectful, please understand, that that is a communication gap - disrespect is not my goal.

With that in mind here is my proposal :
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Maui devs are going to focus more on netrunner. Because I am a primarily netrunner user, I say i heart this decision. Netrunner has potential to become a great desktop distro , eventually taking down ubuntu or mint.

But, I say, can we put our shoulders under the load now ?

The devs have given us the fruit of their work. Can we, as the community take over from here, and continue? may be until the devs want to come back again ?


I do not want MAui to be a competitor to Netrunner. I want Netrunner to capture the Mint userpool, after mint is retired. I want Maui to carry the awesome stability and usability to specialist linux. In scientific community, things like scientific linux or fedora are more beloved, albeit a bit less comfortable to use than Maui.

I would like maui to be a fresh newcomer there.

The problems Maui could solve :

  1. Stability and smooth, modern look and feel will attract mac users - leading software manufacturers eventually to consider supporting linux
  2. There is a plethora of scientific packages in Arch User Repo, but orphaned and/or have not been updated in ages. We can take those old works, update the packagebuilds, and catch up with the actual software development.
  3. There is a plethora of scientific software, e.g. seismic software released by USGS / NASA - and left as tarballs / rpm - not directly usable by the pacman system . we could incorporate that.
  4. The FHS structure has been challenged by things like Gobo or NixOs. See : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227577/what-are-the-alternatives-to-the-fhs - i think there are better ways of handling this .
So, with that proposal - here is my question :

Anybody interested in carrying the torch further where Maui Devs have left?


Again, no disrespect intended - but I'll look forward to hear from you.
My thoughts:

I agree that Maui is fantastic. I've been a Linux user for 15 yeras. I've always used Debian Stable based distros and never considered Ubuntu. I heard far to many reports that Ubuntu was unstable. Maui was the first distro to ever get me to switch to a Ubuntu base. Its fantastic. Everything has just worked for me and I have found Maui to be more reliable than Debian Stable. So for me Maui is easier to use, is more reliable, and due to its Ubuntu base has a greater software pool, with more up to date software than Debian Stable. Why on earth would I ever switch to Netrunner or go back to any Debian based distro? I have found the beauty of Ubuntu. I think people used to a Ubuntu base will agree. So I do not think Netrunner will gain any exMint users and it will only get a few Maui refugees. Netrunner will only be what it is now.

However, if there is enough people on the forum with the interest and skills to continue Maui, I would love to see that happen. Unfortunately, that is not me. So I will move on to Kubuntu or Neon when Maui is done.
Hi,

I do not get what do you mean with this:

"4. The FHS structure has been challenged by things like Gobo or NixOs. See : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227577/what-are-the-alternatives-to-the-fhs - i think there are better ways of handling this ."

Do you propose new alignment of FHS?
(21st March 2018, 20:58)Fargo Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts:

I agree that Maui is fantastic.  I've been a Linux user for 15 yeras.  I've always used Debian Stable based distros and never considered Ubuntu.  I heard far to many reports that Ubuntu was unstable.  Maui was the first distro to ever get me to switch to a Ubuntu base.  Its fantastic.  Everything has just worked for me and I have found Maui to be more reliable than Debian Stable.  So for me Maui is easier to use, is more reliable, and due to its Ubuntu base has a greater software pool, with more up to date software than Debian Stable.  Why on earth would I ever switch to Netrunner or go back to any Debian based distro?  I have found the beauty of Ubuntu.  I think people used to a Ubuntu base will agree.  So I do not think Netrunner will gain any exMint users and it will only get a few Maui refugees.  Netrunner will only be what it is now.

However, if there is enough people on the forum with the interest and skills to continue Maui, I would love to see that happen.  Unfortunately, that is not me.  So I will move on to Kubuntu or Neon when Maui is done.

Maui is by far the best distro I've ever used and I'll be really sad to see it go. For work I am always going to need a few apps that are not in any distro's repository, and I've been checking out Netrunner, (the Ubuntu version was fine), and Neon, but the stuff I need will not install. So for me when Maui goes I'll be switching to openSuse or maybe Rosa. I wish the devs would reconsider as Maui really is superb.
I would be interested with new FHS only, because 99.99% Linux distro are following the same old path and have no big success in desktop area.
(27th March 2018, 15:47)zhaba Wrote: [ -> ]
(21st March 2018, 20:58)Fargo Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts:

I agree that Maui is fantastic.  I've been a Linux user for 15 yeras.  I've always used Debian Stable based distros and never considered Ubuntu.  I heard far to many reports that Ubuntu was unstable.  Maui was the first distro to ever get me to switch to a Ubuntu base.  Its fantastic.  Everything has just worked for me and I have found Maui to be more reliable than Debian Stable.  So for me Maui is easier to use, is more reliable, and due to its Ubuntu base has a greater software pool, with more up to date software than Debian Stable.  Why on earth would I ever switch to Netrunner or go back to any Debian based distro?  I have found the beauty of Ubuntu.  I think people used to a Ubuntu base will agree.  So I do not think Netrunner will gain any exMint users and it will only get a few Maui refugees.  Netrunner will only be what it is now.

However, if there is enough people on the forum with the interest and skills to continue Maui, I would love to see that happen.  Unfortunately, that is not me.  So I will move on to Kubuntu or Neon when Maui is done.

Maui is by far the best distro I've ever used and I'll be really sad to see it go. For work I am always going to need a few apps that are not in any distro's repository, and I've been checking out Netrunner, (the Ubuntu version was fine), and Neon, but the stuff I need will not install. So for me when Maui goes I'll be switching to openSuse or maybe Rosa. I wish the devs would reconsider as Maui really is superb.

You might just want to add Mageia to your list as well if you haven't already.  I believe it may be based on Rosa.  Which is based on the now defunt Mandrake/Mandriva.  I was a PCLinuxOS user years back which was also based on Mandrake, but I left due to issues with the rolling release model.  But otherwise I loved PCLinuxOS.  I've look at Mageia in the past and thought it looked very solid.  My only issue with Mageia was that the forums seemed a bit hostile.
(27th March 2018, 15:16)solnce Wrote: [ -> ]Hi,

I do not get what do you mean with this:

"4. The FHS structure has been challenged by things like Gobo or NixOs. See : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227577/what-are-the-alternatives-to-the-fhs - i think there are better ways of handling this ."

Do you propose new alignment of FHS?

Yes, a different filestructure, to simplyfy stuff like dependency hell .
(28th March 2018, 12:16)solnce Wrote: [ -> ]I would be interested with new FHS only, because 99.99% Linux distro are following the same old path and have no big success in desktop area.

Okey, then help me? I have a few ideas .. i experimented a bit with Linux From Scratch. I would like to improve my creation
(27th March 2018, 15:47)zhaba Wrote: [ -> ]and I've been checking out Netrunner, (the Ubuntu version was fine), and Neon, but the stuff I need will not install.

Such as? Some software from AUR conflict with the netrunner Arch version, but which ones are causing you a truoble, if i may ask?
(31st March 2018, 15:04)seany Wrote: [ -> ]
(28th March 2018, 12:16)solnce Wrote: [ -> ]I would be interested with new FHS only, because 99.99% Linux distro are following the same old path and have no big success in desktop area.

Okey, then help me? I have a few ideas .. i experimented a bit with Linux From Scratch. I would like to improve my creation

Why don't you join Gobolinux? They have done very decent job bringing this idea to life and they are planning new release this year (with up to date kernel, KDE 5 etc). They definitely need more working hands. 


In my honest opinion, Linux lacks Desktop user oriented idea and strong organisation behind to evolve into decent desktop OS. I am using linux as desktop os, but it is faraway from being ready for non professional user, and lighting years away from being competitor to Win/Mac. Linux is very good as server os, in other words as command line OS, but as soon as you boot into graphical interface problems starts. I can name hundreds of them, but not that is the curse. Endless forking of deb/*untu/*hat/arch does not provide substantial improvement in quality. The other problem too radical philosophy regards proprietary software/drivers does not add value to Linux as desktop OS. Desktop user does not care proprietary or not, paid or not, user cares if it works or not out of the box, most linux stuff does not. Other, in my opinion, it is  lack of business model (in broader understanding, not just how to make money) is the biggest obstacle for Linux to evolve into  real desktop os. If you do not agree, take a look at who is paying for Linux development? Do not tell me that Linux is for free, it is not. If you can get it for free, it means that someone has already paid for that. Currently Linux development is financed by big big corporates (here is a list: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/), these are mainly interested in linux as server os. Who is paying for Linux as Desktop development? Mainly private people per distro donations, that have no power to influence it is development in any way. If you cannot control the ship, how do you suppose to reach the shore?  Confused

I believe, if linux wants to achieve something in Desktop market, it should adopt radical changes and start from attitude, it should have organisation behind its back, have set goals, organise resources in more meaningful way, be more centralised, standards compliant and proprietary software friendly. Gobolinux is one of very good examples how linux can evolve, but this distro is not more than just a hobbyist project, its development is fragmented.

That is my personal opinion.
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